Managing Web Projects #4 – The Quote

Managing Web Projects #4 – The Quote


Quoting for a job can be quite a tricky business and it’s all too easy to under or over estimate the true cost. Under-estimate and you’ll be out of pocket, over-estimate and you’ll be out of a job! So, how do we go about creating a reasonable quote that doesn’t break the client’s bank or yours?

Managing Web Projects #4 – The Quote
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Quoting for a job can be quite a tricky business and it’s all too easy to under or over estimate the true cost.

Under-estimate and you’ll be out of pocket, over-estimate and you’ll be out of a job! So, how do we go about creating a reasonable quote that doesn’t break the client’s bank or yours?

If you’re working for yourself then you’ll be able to put together a consistent method for quoting for clients but if you have a a team out quoting field service projects you will need to provide guidelines or use and online system to ensure your quotes are uniform.

In order to work out your quoting guidelines, one of the things you can do is keep a log of all the time you spend on projects. Keep track of everything from the requirements capture, design, build – even how long it takes you to write an email or take a phone call from the client.

After a while you can use this to build up an pretty accurate picture of how long a project will take. But of course you’re doing this already for invoicing purposes, right?!

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Know thy Client

What’s the client like? Are they happy to let you toddle off and get on with it or will they be ‘phoning you up every five minutes asking for silly minor changes? If it’s the latter then you need to either charge by the hour or anticipate this and build it into your quote.

Will they deliver content on time? If you’re going to be sitting around twiddling your thumbs then get at least 25% of the cost upfront, that way at least you have some money in your pocket whilst the client is faffing around.

Know thy competitors

There isn’t much point charging £100 an hour when Joe Bloggs down the road is charging £50, you don’t want to price yourself out of the market completely. Don’t forget that most businesses get three quotes and they usually go with the lowest – hence the reason why a lot of companies end up with a website that looks like it’s been designed in someone’s bedroom – because it has (not that there’s anything wrong with that, I used to do it! But I’m sure you know what I mean).

Hourly or fixed rates?

This is really a personal preference, and both require you to work out how long a project is going to take.

Hourly rates are easier to negotiate if the project starts to run over, but you may be able to get away with charging a bit more money for less work on a fixed rate quote. Personally I always go for a fixed rate, that way the client knows exactly how much they’re going to have to pay and what work they’re going to get for that money. Also, I think a lot of businesses tend to be a bit wary of hourly rates as they can soon spiral out of control and they can end up paying a tonne of money they didn’t want (or necessarily need) to spend. Of course, this is good for the developer but unfair to the client. And in a world where word-of-mouth is king you can’t be seen to be unfair!

Whether you’re going to charge £10 an our or £5000 for the whole project, you still need to know how long the project will take and what your rate is.

Working out your rate

Firstly, don’t go mad and say you want to earn £100,000 in your first year – I really doubt that will happen (unless you’re Bill Gates). Sit down and work out the following:

  1. How much do you want to earn (after tax)
  2. How much tax etc. (boo) you’ll have to pay
  3. What are your monthly expenses (rent, supplies, staff, pension, savings, marketing, travel etc)
  4. Work out the time you’re not earning (i.e sales calls, pitch meetings, doing admin)
  5. What sort of profit margin do you want to make? This is up to you but 15-20% is about right (don’t go overboard!)
  6. How many hours are you going to work a day? I know the answer will be “As little as possible” but I’ll plump for 7 as you’re not a part-timer!

So, let’s take some example figures (note that this is based on UK tax rates etc)

  1. £25,000
  2. To earn £25,000 take home we’ll actually have to earn £35,000 – frightening eh?! Tax/National Insurance is a whopping £9500!
  3. £1250 x 12 months = £15,000
  4. 500 hours a year
  5. 20%
  6. 1750 hours (7 hours X 5 days a week for 50 weeks – you lucky people get 14 days off!)

And we work out the rate by:

Subtracting the “Non earning hours” from billable hours

1750 – 500 = 1250

Workout the total spend (salary + expenses)

35,000 + 15,000 = 50,000

Work out the profit margin (total spend / 100 x profit margin)

50,000 / 100 x 20% = 10,000

Work out total profit needed including the profit margin

50,000 + 10,000 = 60,000

Work out the final hourly rate (Total profit / total billable hours)

60,000 / 1250 = £48 an hour

Not too confusing I hope! And quite a resonable sum really.

So all we need to do with this figure to work out the cost of our fixed price quote is to take the number of hours the project will take x the hourly rate + any additional costs (hosting, royalties for images etc.)

How long will the work take?

That all depends on the site, the design and how fast you work!

From Passion To Profit

Generally, for complexish designs I allows 4 hours. This is the homepage and an internal page (obviously if they’re the same template you only need to do one), however for a site I’m doing at the moment I’ve already got the design in mind so the graphical elements will only take 20 minutes to knock up. This of course is personal and dependant on how familiar you are with the software package you’re using, whether the client has provided a logo or you need to come up with the corporate branding.

In regards to the html “templates” again that’s all dependant on how you’re going to put it together. You can create the website straight away by slicing it up in something like ImageReady (if you like weirdly named images and not being about to work your way through the source code), you can you tables or CSS. Personally I tend to go for the latter as it’s quick to implement (I have a standard set of CSS files I use and can just “plug and play”) Also, are all the pages/sections the same? If so creating a master template will be simple but if you have to mess around with different page styles it’ll take a lot longer.

It’s really hard to give a definitive idea of how long a project will take as it’s so subjective so here’s a couple of “real world” examples to get you started:

Site 1
Site type: Database driven visit schedule, mutliple user logins/access levels, multiple clients, contacts, messaging system.
Estimated Build time: 420 hours
of this
Design: 4 hours
Build: 350 hours
Database: 20 hours
Testing: 30 hours
Admin: 6 hours

So cost of project at the above hourly rate = 420 x £48/hour = £20,160

Wow… expensive eh?! Of course that’s for a super-dooper big client and it depends on what the client’s willing/able to pay (and whether you drop the quote as it’s new business and charge them full whack on the next job in order to keep them).

I personally didn’t charge that much, I won’t reveal the exact amount as that’s rude, as I was getting a lot of work from them and I wanted to keep them sweet (plus I had a lot of the components of the site pre-built and just plugged them in.)

Site 2
Site Type: Content management system to drive site but allowing for additional uploads. File upload required, WYSIWYG editor, dynamic CSS menus, site map and site search.
Estimated Build time: 35 hours
of this
Design: 1 hour
Build: 25 hours
Database: 2 hours
Testing: 5 hours
Admin: 2 hours


Cost of project : 35 x  £48/hour = £1680

Which is pretty reasonable, but I charged them more than this to offset the first project (starting to see how it works?)

Site 3: 10 page static HTML site

Estimated Build time: 5 hours
of this
Design: 0.5 hours
Build: 4 hours
Database: 0 hours
Testing: 0.5 hours
Admin: 0.5 hours


Cost of project : 5 x  £48/hour = £240

These are just rough examples, and not necessarily what I’d charge – for example the static site is priced differently to the cost above as it’s a friend of a friend who’s having it done (plus I may get referral work from him) so you have to be flexible.

A word of warning

When you’re estimating the time it’s going to take to build the site always add on extra. Someone I know adds a further 50% (a bit extreme I think), some pick a random number, some use Pi. I go for x2.5. This allows for the client being lame, unforseen errors, testing problems, database issues, fiddling with server etc.

Also, don’t forget to charge for the extras:

  • Domain names
  • Server-Side Components
  • Stock Photos etc.

They’re easily overlooked.

Sending out the quote

I send mine out as a PDF attachment, with a copy in the post. This has my logo on it, address, contact details and a break-down of the stages of the project and associated costs. Most clients won’t accept the quote unless they know what they’re paying for.

Make sure you get acceptance of the quote in writing. It’s often a good idea to get the client to fax/post a copy of the quote back with their signature and the date on it. This means that any disputes over price later can be thrown out.

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